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GN[ING Redmond Cup Senior Division - Finals - 2008 US Go Congress - Will Zhou (7d) vs Gan Sheng Shi (7d)]PW[Will Zhou]PB[Gan Sheng Shi]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2008-08-08]EV[ING Redmond Cup]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Calvin Lee]C[USGO4 [-\]: hold on the event title has the wrong player name in it
USGO4 [-\]: its will and gan sheng
USGO4 [-\]: itll take a second to refresh
USGO4 [-\]: we are getting started now :)
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dq]
;W[dd]
;B[pc]
;W[dn]
;B[co]
;W[cn]C[krakengo [1d\]: good evening
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;B[do]
;W[en]
;B[eo]C[USGO4 [-\]: these players are pretty good friends
USGO4 [-\]: they've been talking and joking around
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;W[fn]C[ennuistic [1k\]: overconcentrated stones.
ennuistic [1k\]: must jump in now
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;B[qp]C[t0Strong4u [-\]: this is the final???????????
seishiro [15k\]: yeah
USGO4 [-\]: yeah, cherry was eliminated
t0Strong4u [-\]: wow
USGO4 [-\]: so it's a best of 3 match. gan sheng already won the first one
t0Strong4u [-\]: and w choose to play like that????
t0Strong4u [-\]: no wonder b won
YangX [4d\]: w is serious
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;W[ch]C[t0Strong4u [-\]: no really. 
USGO4 [-\]: i don't really know who you are, but i think you'd have a hard time against white :)
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;B[fc]C[t0Strong4u [-\]: i would
t0Strong4u [-\]: w could prob give me 29 stones and i would lose
Kirby [2k\]: i think i could win with 29 stones
seishiro [15k\]: w is goimg on a different opening
t0Strong4u [-\]: actually....i have a good chance of winning with 29 stones.......
Rakeliem [1d\]: I could beat anyone with 19 stones
t0Strong4u [-\]: i could prob beat w with 9 stones seriously
YangX [4d\]: lol, me2~
Kosai [2k\]: sounds like you guys should be playing in the final of a major tournament.  oh, wait.
Kirby [2k\]: anyway, that doesn't matter
seishiro [15k\]: how do you think white will respond?
elohimmeth [2k\]: i dont like white 
krakengo [1d\]: P3
kyuboy [9k\]: i perfer pincer
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
t0Strong4u [-\]: acutally i could beat w with 7 stones
seishiro [15k\]: why not play hane at e17
krakengo [1d\]: cause C12 not good for attack
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;W[jd]C[YangX [4d\]: whites shape is really weird
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;B[fe]C[seishiro [15k\]: or the knights move ate19
krakengo [1d\]: hard to attack b efficiently
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;W[cc]C[krakengo [1d\]: b is reducing w naturally
krakengo [1d\]: K16 looks wrong
t0Strong4u [-\]: w play so weird......
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;B[lc]C[seishiro [15k\]: why does white try to expand or inveade then 
YangX [4d\]: will is ready to unlease his true style
krakengo [1d\]: what is it ?
seishiro [15k\]: he should expand then
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;W[gd]C[krakengo [1d\]: connect
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;B[fd]C[elohimmeth [2k\]: isnt d17 better than c17 ?
NickSib [2d\]: not if w is planning on capping rather than defending territory
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;W[eh]C[krakengo [1d\]: C17 stronger on the side
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;B[db]C[krakengo [1d\]: works well with C12
elohimmeth [2k\]: hmm i see. you mean if black c14..
krakengo [1d\]: yes
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;W[gc]C[krakengo [1d\]: G18
LaNina [2d?\]: G15
krakengo [1d\]: F18 too good for w
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;B[gb]
;W[hb]
;B[fb]C[KarateKyu [3k\]: don't leave us :(
krakengo [1d\]: b settled
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;W[ic]C[ng100: are the players still joking?
USGO4 [-\]: Will has left the room.. probably a trip to the restroom
USGO4 [-\]: no, they became serious when the game started
Kirby [2k\]: I'm going to call him Mr. Zhou, instead of Will
shiawase [6k\]: okies then...
seishiro [15k\]: white does'nt look good 
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;B[fg]C[krakengo [1d\]: threatens C13 later
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;W[fh]
;B[dg]C[krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
USGO4 [-\]: now theyre joking to each other
USGO4 [-\]: silly kids
shiawase [6k\]: how old are they
USGO4 [-\]: both 15 i think
GeorgeW [-\]: feels like white is having too hard of a time this game
NickSib [2d\]: best for w to just c13, no?
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;W[df]C[badukluv [2k\]: silly me! i thought senior division means they r over 60s,
seishiro [15k\]: c13 will be good
badukluv [2k\]: ^_^
USGO4 [-\]: gansheng said "gee. that sucks."
USGO4 [-\]: they're both laughing lol
mccoy [2d\]: c14 now?
USGO4 [-\]: gansheng: "don't make me suji you"
Swordfish7 [5d\]: thats nice..
AroundOneD [1d\]: c13, not c14
Ellisdee [-\]: holy crap, WIll is being broadcast
Gay [4d\]: who is will zhou
USGO4 [-\]: a 7d 15 year old from illinois
edlee [3k\]: Ellisdee, please watch your language.
seishiro [15k\]: why did will play the kights move?
Ellisdee [-\]: that's bad language?
Ellisdee [-\]: sorry
edlee [3k\]: ok :) This is a family oriented server :)
Swordfish7 [5d\]: maybe he was insei in china
USGO4 [-\]: nope
Ellisdee [-\]: nope
weak888 [1k\]: e13?
Ellisdee [-\]: just a kid from Chicago
AroundOneD [1d\]: c13 to crash left side
krakengo [1d\]: the move !!
Swordfish7 [5d\]: he was born in usa?
lweji [2d\]: wow
Ellisdee [-\]: he should win for our town
Ellisdee [-\]: I believe so
seishiro [15k\]: then why did he play the knightsmove?
zc3k [1k\]: E13 only
krakengo [1d\]: when attacking, you can often answer peeps with a clamp
Gay [4d\]: wow
DayToDay [1d\]: i think he aws born in china and then moved to the U.S
Gay [4d\]: really good to get 7d in 15 years
Ellisdee [-\]: he takes lessons from a Chinese pro
krakengo [1d\]: if the opponent insists he ends up with 2 heavy problems
USGO4 [-\]: both players are 15
USGO4 [-\]: its not like both have been playing 15 years though
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;B[cf]C[DayToDay [1d\]: thing is they are 15 but they started like all asian kida who play at like 3-5
DayToDay [1d\]: kids*
USGO4 [-\]: i think will started 5 or 6 years ago
AroundOneD [1d\]: c13
CSC: now c17 group will have to survive from b attacks!
mccoy [2d\]: woohoo, as I predicted. :P
krakengo [1d\]: C13 fine
Swordfish7 [5d\]: so are their parents players?
USGO4 [-\]: neither
AroundOneD [1d\]: and c15
DayToDay [1d\]: i think they only know of the game
Swordfish7 [5d\]: thats weird..
DayToDay [1d\]: not really
DayToDay [1d\]: it's like people in japan who know about the game and don't play
USGO4 [-\]: you'd be surprised.. its pretty much the case with all the youth players in the US
Swordfish7 [5d\]: but these players are asian
USGO4 [-\]: what's your point?
YangX [4d\]: lol
Swordfish7 [5d\]: that why doesnt the american kids get to these levels?
AroundOneD [1d\]: c13 and c15
USGO4 [-\]: landon is 7d, matt is 7d, gus is 6d
Swordfish7 [5d\]: how old are they?
USGO4 [-\]: matt is 17, gus is 19 now, landon is 18
mccoy [2d\]: Give up AroundoneD. C13 is 1d move, c14 is 2d and up move. hahaha
USGO4 [-\]: landon WON this tournament last year, as well as the 6dan division of the us open
NerdKibitz: Landon... -.- not only strong go player but extremely strong chess player as well....
AroundOneD [1d\]: b will play d15 after c13
AroundOneD [1d\]: w is counting for e13
NerdKibitz: e14.
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;W[eg]
;B[de]
;W[ef]
;B[ce]
;W[ee]
;B[bc]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: wow good move O-o
YangX [4d\]: pro move =O
Kirby [2k\]: B17, you mean?
AroundOneD [1d\]: corner is gone
ennuistic [1k\]: white gave away a great corner..
Swordfish7 [5d\]: if black connects all his stones now
Swordfish7 [5d\]: his position will be great
AroundOneD [1d\]: c13 better
Swordfish7 [5d\]: everything alive and left side potential is minimized
Zeid [2d\]: b16
krakengo [1d\]: w gain is not clear
Kirby [2k\]: b does seem to have an advantage, i think
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;W[bd]C[zc3k [1k\]: delicated one
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;B[cd]
;W[bb]C[ng100: how much time left?
POKE [5d\]: OMG, game over for white?
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;B[dc]C[krakengo [1d\]: atari
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;W[cb]
;B[ed]C[krakengo [1d\]: oh
Kirby [2k\]: i guess w could take away eyespace
krakengo [1d\]: b is sente against the corner
Gay [4d\]: c13
krakengo [1d\]: or not... B13 there
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;W[bg]C[krakengo [1d\]: ok b not base
krakengo [1d\]: still under heavy attack
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;B[cg]C[krakengo [1d\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: found a way to get even heavier
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;W[bi]C[charkysan [5k\]: g15 
krakengo [1d\]: b died...
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;B[ff]C[shiawase [6k\]: not yet
AroundOneD [1d\]: f14 is slow?
YangX [4d\]: lol, this movel looks like black is just asking for it
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;W[hh]
;B[ba]C[krakengo [1d\]: oh
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;W[ca]
;B[da]
;W[ac]C[krakengo [1d\]: ok
Swordfish7 [5d\]: wow these guys ARE good~_~
krakengo [1d\]: but still painful
Joven [?\]: wow I totally didnt see that.
charkysan [5k\]: if b g15 instead of g14, then w could not cut at g14 because of the double atari at h16
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;B[if]C[Zeid [2d\]: wow
Ukasuhs [2k\]: b15 no more sente :(
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;W[ld]
;B[md]
;W[mc]C[Violence [?\]: Haha, don't look down on American youth
charkysan [5k\]: b trying to provoke a fight so that w can't take away chance for 2nd eye with g19?
AroundOneD [1d\]: I do not like n17
weak888 [1k\]: o17?
Swordfish7 [5d\]: l16 
AroundOneD [1d\]: y
AroundOneD [1d\]: l16 and l17
AroundOneD [1d\]: then o17
AroundOneD [1d\]: w gets nothing
krakengo [1d\]: atari is bad unless you capture
charkysan [5k\]: or sacrifice to make life
AroundOneD [1d\]: if let b open flower, that even bigger
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;B[mb]C[charkysan [5k\]: can b stay connected if w h14?  or would b be forced to play g19 if cut?
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;W[nc]C[USGO4 [-\]: if anyone's wondering where gan sheng is from, he's canadian
charkysan [5k\]: hooray, eh?
USGO4 [-\]: test
USGO4 [-\]: the connections a tad shaky. i got kicked off earlier but if that happens just hang tight and ill be right back
AroundOneD [1d\]: l17?
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;B[nd]C[charkysan [5k\]: imbibe more neurotransmitters
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;W[hf]C[charkysan [5k\]: ok, now we will see the answer to my question about the cut
Violence [?\]: oh...
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;B[he]
;W[hg]C[krakengo [1d\]: ouch
mentat [3k?\]: USGO were you talking about j14 connection?
Korea4K [2d\]: J16
Neospring [3k\]: g15?
AroundOneD [1d\]: j16
krakengo [1d\]: don't be absurd
USGO4 [-\]: i meant the internet connection - i'm not really allowed to comment on the game
DarthVader [12k?\]: but will you anyway?
USGO4 [-\]: these two are a bit stronger than i am so i doubt that'd help
USGO4 [-\]: mm. i'd probably get in trouble ^^
mahatma [1k\]: who are you O_O
USGO4 [-\]: just a weak go player
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;B[ge]
;W[kc]C[Neospring [3k\]: :)
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;B[lb]
;W[ie]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]C[AroundOneD [1d\]: g19 is painful
krakengo [1d\]: have to eventually
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;B[ga]C[AroundOneD [1d\]: but has to do it
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;W[le]C[krakengo [1d\]: b didn't atari
krakengo [1d\]: atari is bad
YangX [4d\]: white is taking a gamble with the huge wall
charkysan [5k\]: so, it looks like my question has been answered
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;B[kp]C[charkysan [5k\]: now w has lots of influence, but not a stone in the lower right quadrant
USGO4 [-\]: sounds like i got the okay to comment about the game or at least answer questions
krakengo [1d\]: had to P3 when i said to ;-)
USGO4 [-\]: though i'm going to try and do it at a minimum, since 1) i'm weak, 2) my judgments are my own and not to be affiliated with the aga/ejournal
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;W[op]C[krakengo [1d\]: ok
LaNina [2d?\]: game almost over, i think
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;B[mp]C[krakengo [1d\]: still a game
USGO4 [-\]: b definitely at an advantage
Swordfish7 [5d\]: yes black sujied white too much earlier
Swordfish7 [5d\]: as he threatend
USGO4 [-\]: i think when white played the attachment at d14, c15 was the correct response
Violence [?\]: Black chose this move so that in the joseki, white can't later attach at N3, right?
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;W[on]
;B[qn]
;W[qq]
;B[rq]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: attach at n3?
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;W[ip]C[USGO4 [-\]: i think that's definitely true violence. it's pretty solid since b is ahead on cash
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;B[jn]C[krakengo [1d\]: b chosing easy moves since he feels ahead
Swordfish7 [5d\]: now white losing center potential
USGO4 [-\]: swordfish7: there are more recent joseki developments for the one space pincer where white attaches at n3 and crosscuts with m4
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;W[fq]
;B[bn]
;W[bm]
;B[bo]C[Rumpole: Cgoban3 users... how can I replay moves?
NDAkira [8k\]: can't in a demo
krakengo [1d\]: Q8
charkysan [5k\]: i don't understand k6.  why let w come in so far to f3?
Torpor [-\]: You first clone the game
GOxBASHO [14k\]: but wat if u clone it
Torpor [-\]: Or view it offline
charkysan [5k\]: click on options, choose view offline
krakengo [1d\]: because F3 has hardly any effect on b
Torpor [-\]: Both options are in "Options"
krakengo [1d\]: and the center is important
Rumpole: ah.... thanks everyone
USGO4 [-\]: k6 just lets b get into the center. eases the attack. adds pressure to j4. and b is ahead on terr
cryptoz [-\]: are the results posted online?
charkysan [5k\]: thanks for the explanation, krakengo
USGO4 [-\]: again. prefacing my own judgments with my weakness as a player
USGO4 [-\]: yes. all results can be found on usgo.org
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;W[pq]C[AroundOneD [1d\]: q3 and m3
ng100: USGO4, how much time left for the players?
krakengo [1d\]: H12 thickness is very threatening
USGO4 [-\]: 48 minutes for will, 59 for gan sheng
krakengo [1d\]: b must not slip
USGO4 [-\]: keep in mind that this is a best of 3 series
USGO4 [-\]: gan sheng already won the first game
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;B[rr]C[AroundOneD [1d\]: s2 is a must
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;W[ol]C[USGO4 [-\]: s5 is also possibly
USGO4 [-\]: possible*
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;B[bl]C[charkysan [5k\]: now b needs to do something with l4 soon?
AroundOneD [1d\]: y
charkysan [5k\]: b also has d11 if he needs a forcing move before running out
Torpor [-\]: If a7 will Black play a ladder breaker or try to jump out?
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;W[ko]C[krakengo [1d\]: b slipped 
charkysan [5k\]: if a7, c8, c7, e8, g8?
USGO4 [-\]: will's games at congress have been very intense
krakengo [1d\]: i like w, enormous fighting spirit
Torpor [-\]: That doesn't sound right charkysan
USGO4 [-\]: all of them involve multiple large groups dying
USGO4 [-\]: some of them his, some of them his opponents
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;B[no]C[barber [3k\]: I taught him well
CSC: ?????
barber [3k\]: I knew him when...
USGO4 [-\]: yesterday in the west vs east youth all stars match, the east won 4-4 with will's board one win as a tiebreaker
krakengo [1d\]: R5 ?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Both groups die that way, charky.
GameFAQs [3d\]: >_>
USGO4 [-\]: killed 2 large groups, lost 2 large groups :)
charkysan [5k\]: since the obvious moves i thought of don't work, what does work?
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;W[ro]C[Violence [?\]: Who participated in the East vs West?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Cooouldn't tell ya.
charkysan [5k\]: otherwise, what is the point of b8?
krakengo [1d\]: wow even S5
USGO4 [-\]: will: *whispering* "suji..."
GameFAQs [3d\]: Really? >_>
Torpor [-\]: I don't know
USGO4 [-\]: gan sheng: *whispering* "what the hell"
Violence [?\]: Hahaha
USGO4 [-\]: they're both joking, of course :)
barber [3k\]: whispers in Japanese
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;B[oo]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: You're not joking?!
charkysan [5k\]: s5 is cute enough to be a tesuji?
krakengo [1d\]: what's the gain over R5 ?
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;W[rp]C[krakengo [1d\]: oh
iNguyen [4d\]: white big mistake
USGO4 [-\]: i'm relaying the dialogue in this match
USGO4 [-\]: so no, im not kidding
Ukasuhs [2k\]: q4
GameFAQs [3d\]: I see..
Violence [?\]: These are, of course, kids
USGO4 [-\]: in any case. west: matt, hugh, jimmy, tony, cherry, christopher, stephen, and tom
AroundOneD [1d\]: r5
YangX [4d\]: east?
charkysan [5k\]: is r5 too obvious a move to play when you are 7d?
AroundOneD [1d\]: but good
GameFAQs [3d\]: If r5, can black s7 to s6?
AroundOneD [1d\]: b should balance the game
Violence [?\]: I don't think so, Game
GameFAQs [3d\]: Snapback, right.
AroundOneD [1d\]: give a small corner to w
YangX [4d\]: is there an east coast vs. west coast game this yr?
USGO4 [-\]: east: will, jack, ricky, lionel, aleck, andrew, kevin, 
GameFAQs [3d\]: So.. R5 not so easy.
USGO4 [-\]: i'm trying to remember the 8th
Violence [?\]: Jack Yang, or Shih?
Intake [2d\]: i would r5 anyways and just extend up instead of s7 hane
YangX [4d\]: jasmine?
USGO4 [-\]: no
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;B[pp]
;W[qr]C[AroundOneD [1d\]: erase the space in ctr for b to win
USGO4 [-\]: the 8th player was a 6dan..
JesusTeAma [9k\]: very bed 
Violence [?\]: Ricky?
YangX [4d\]: hes alredy said
Violence [?\]: oh, right.
YangX [4d\]: jason?
USGO4 [-\]: too old
GameFAQs [3d\]: Billy?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Zack? >_>
YangX [4d\]: wang zi?
iNguyen [4d\]: s1
Violence [?\]: West: Hugh, Jimmy, Landon, Gus, Tony, Cherry... who else? 
USGO4 [-\]: you're wrong. i already said the west up above
Violence [?\]: oh
Violence [?\]: ahh, I'm wayyy off.
YangX [4d\]: ooo
YangX [4d\]: lawrence?
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;B[rn]
;W[rs]
;B[sr]
;W[qs]C[USGO4 [-\]: the eighth east player was michael huang
YangX [4d\]: ah, ic
WQ [?\]: s1 should be it~!!!
WQ [?\]: i mean R1
YangX [4d\]: hes only 4d tho
Ukasuhs [2k\]: p2 kill?
WQ [?\]: b should play at r1 to save the corner
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;B[sq]C[WQ [?\]: wait
zc3k [1k\]: what is this?
WQ [?\]: then w would play at T2?
wuwei [5k\]: p2
iNguyen [4d\]: white might die
iNguyen [4d\]: lol
GameFAQs [3d\]: ooh;
GameFAQs [3d\]: ah.
iNguyen [4d\]: under stonee!
WQ [?\]: those stones going to be dead soon?
WQ [?\]: i mean the 4 stones at the bottom right
iNguyen [4d\]: white need eyes
iNguyen [4d\]: this is big trouble
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;W[mr]C[weakest [6d\]: lol
CSC: but when b stone surround the w, w may die
krakengo [1d\]: this is game is prank ?
USGO4 [-\]: btw - gansheng was studying go in china prior to congress
Hylebos [4k\]: So he must be 11 dan by now.
YangX [4d\]: does anyone know how strong gansheng was before he went to china?
WQ [?\]: why w not play at t4?
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;B[qo]C[USGO4 [-\]: under the stones
USGO4 [-\]: he was already very strong
iNguyen [4d\]: because t4 = dies
WQ [?\]: er~ dont' know what that mean
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;W[lq]C[WQ [?\]: how?
USGO4 [-\]: only one eye when you capture with t4
WQ [?\]: i can't see why t4 is bad for w
iNguyen [4d\]: black can capture white after white capture black
WQ [?\]: oh~~
wuwei [5k\]: means b kills s4 playing exactly where his own stones were
WQ [?\]: sorry i only  concentrate on the first cature
WQ [?\]: capture*
krakengo [1d\]: that, and b had P2 to kill
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;B[jo]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[kn]
;B[jp]
;W[ln]
;B[mo]C[USGO4 [-\]: game pretty much feels like a mess for w
Hylebos [4k\]: K4 getting lonely.
charkysan [5k\]: either they played quickly there, or usgo4 caught up recording moves all at once
USGO4 [-\]: the latter
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;W[kr]C[WWSD [1k\]: USGO4 who are you
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;B[jl]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: lol
USGO4 [-\]: er my name is calvin lee
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;W[ll]C[krakengo [1d\]: mmmh b success
USGO4 [-\]: i'm weak, dont mind me
salvor7 [1k\]: kgs nick, the importasnt identity
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;B[hn]C[gtrer: calvin lee, thats a nice name
WWSD [1k\]: lol whats your rank?
USGO4 [-\]: i'm nacci on kgs
USGO4 [-\]: dont play that often
Hylebos [4k\]: Sweet.
WQ [?\]: are you the reporter for this game?
ndfsoccer [2k\]: well you know what your doing
Ukasuhs [2k\]: nacci is 6d on kgs
USGO4 [-\]: i volunteered to help cover the youth for the ejournal since i'm friends with all of them
charkysan [5k\]: if b gets a stone at g8, he can activate b8 and run with it
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;W[go]C[weak888 [1k\]: j3 is good
krakengo [1d\]: what for ?
WQ [?\]: May i ask one question about this game?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Yes.
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;B[gi]C[zc3k [1k\]: K2
WQ [?\]: What kind of game this is?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Also, that's your question.
GameFAQs [3d\]: So no.
Ukasuhs [2k\]: WQ: its a long game...
WQ [?\]: A pro game or...?
charkysan [5k\]: so b will live in the middle and erase a lot of w's influence there, it seems
USGO4 [-\]: its the finals of one of the two premier youth tournaments in the us
Ukasuhs [2k\]: the players are technically amateurs
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;W[gh]C[charkysan [5k\]: g8 now?
WWSD [1k\]: why doesnt white resign
WQ [?\]: oh~ tournaments
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;B[cm]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: Black is still weak.
USGO4 [-\]: this is the redmond cup, and the other major tournament is the USYGC
WWSD [1k\]: how is black weak
USGO4 [-\]: us youth go championships
WQ [?\]: i live in US
WWSD [1k\]: you mean in ranking?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Jeez.
GameFAQs [3d\]: K6.
YangX [4d\]: will the east/west coast games be broadcasted?
USGO4 [-\]: will won the USYGC for both of the two years it's been held
WQ [?\]: but where can i go to a go association?
mahatma [1k\]: time?
USGO4 [-\]: they happened yesterday, as i said already. east won 4-4 with top board tie breaks
mahatma [1k\]: man, east always wins :(
USGO4 [-\]: 38 minutes for will 45 for gansheng
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;W[hl]C[mahatma [1k\]: its cuz they have feng yun go school
USGO4 [-\]: actually, its a funny story
CSC: what story?
USGO4 [-\]: it was supposed to be 7 on 7 and one of the players on the east who didnt get to play befcause he was lower rated fetched someone from the west
USGO4 [-\]: and asked if we could play 8 on 8
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;B[iq]C[Hylebos [4k\]: 8 is a lucky number.
USGO4 [-\]: he ended up winning (east won the bottom 2 boards)
YangX [4d\]: who was it
USGO4 [-\]: so if it were 7 on 7 this would have been the year the east lost :)
YangX [4d\]: michael?
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;W[hp]
;B[jr]C[USGO4 [-\]: kevin shang
USGO4 [-\]: he's was complaining a lot
YangX [4d\]: ic
mahatma [1k\]: oh thats uncool
YangX [4d\]: XD
YangX [4d\]: usgo4, were u in it?
WQ [?\]: isn't it against the rules?
mahatma [1k\]: i dont like that kid, i played him a few years ago at congress :P
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;W[hr]C[themyr0n [3k\]: b looks to be in trouble
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;B[or]C[USGO4 [-\]: too old
YangX [4d\]: who did kevin fetch 2 play w/ him?
USGO4 [-\]: stephen sun
YangX [4d\]: ah, ok
iNguyen [4d\]: whit emaybe be in trouble
YangX [4d\]: is there a place where i can see the eresult of all the games?
gtrer: are there any non-asian players?
YangX [4d\]: results*
mahatma [1k\]: matt
USGO4 [-\]: matt burrall on board 1 for west
YangX [4d\]: landon
charkysan [5k\]: trouble is democratic, it's for everyone here
mahatma [1k\]: ;D
USGO4 [-\]: last year the west also had landon, and the east had daniel gourdeau from canada
YangX [4d\]: and me~~
mahatma [1k\]: did landon play this year?
YangX [4d\]: lol
YangX [4d\]: i think hes too old
charkysan [5k\]: o2 ?
USGO4 [-\]: landon is too old
mahatma [1k\]: lol did tony zhang or jimmy guo play?
USGO4 [-\]: last year was his and my last
YangX [4d\]: can i see the result somewhere?
USGO4 [-\]: they both did, and they both won
kayzac [2k\]: winner here is champion, no?
YangX [4d\]: usgo4, who are you?
mahatma [1k\]: yay
USGO4 [-\]: dont think theyre up anywhere, yangx
mahatma [1k\]: oooh
mahatma [1k\]: lemme guess
USGO4 [-\]: calvin lee
mahatma [1k\]: calvin lee
YangX [4d\]: lol
YangX [4d\]: ic
mahatma [1k\]: AWW DANG
mahatma [1k\]: he beat me to it
iNguyen [4d\]: white need to eye
gtrer: we love calvin lee!
YangX [4d\]: does any1 here no the results?
zc3k [1k\]: bloody death?
USGO4 [-\]: second best calvin in the aga ;)
charkysan [5k\]: w needs to connect n2 to r1
mahatma [1k\]: lol, silly calvin sun
themyr0n [3k\]: thanks charky
WWSD [1k\]: P3?
gtrer: are you Korean?
WQ [?\]: are most of the people here Asian?
USGO4 [-\]: mm. i'd say its 50% asian 50% white
themyr0n [3k\]: wwsd = what would sai do?
WWSD [1k\]: ROFL
WWSD [1k\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: although the distribution of strength is skewed
charkysan [5k\]: if w o2, can be prevent connection?
themyr0n [3k\]: hahaha nice
zc3k [1k\]: oh half cast?
mahatma [1k\]: how are the japanese players doing?
USGO4 [-\]: in which direction, you can guess :)
WWSD [1k\]: very good guess
WWSD [1k\]: shuusaku works too
USGO4 [-\]: some of them are pretty strong
WQ [?\]: i know
themyr0n [3k\]: true, both work
YangX [4d\]: did ricky and michael win their east/west game?
mahatma [1k\]: shunichi is strong, but he doesn't seem to be doing that great
WQ [?\]: i never once win against anyone~! 
USGO4 [-\]: ricky won, michael lost
zc3k [1k\]: game r over?
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;W[nq]C[YangX [4d\]: against who?
WQ [?\]: everyone i play with
USGO4 [-\]: ricky beat chris, michael lost to hugh
gtrer: old hugh, i miss him
WQ [?\]: with today, i join go for 4 days
YangX [4d\]: ah, hugh
YangX [4d\]: ic
Ukasuhs [2k\]: this works... bot b gets t5 and t4 in sente
Ukasuhs [2k\]: but*
iNguyen [4d\]: huh
iNguyen [4d\]: who get want sente?
mahatma [1k\]: wait michael lost to hugh? O_O
mahatma [1k\]: hugh got hella strong then
YangX [4d\]: can i have full results from u calvin? u seems to know everything XD
charkysan [5k\]: if p3, o4, o2, n3, q1, w cannot capture either of b's groups in the corner
WQ [?\]: i think you can go to usgo.org
WQ [?\]: for the result
GODude08: who here is the weakest go player and trust me it iant me
WQ [?\]: that's calvin said
iNguyen [4d\]: u
WQ [?\]: me i think
GODude08: no seriously
USGO4 [-\]: will d. matt, hugh d. michael, tony d. aleck, ricky d. chris, cherry d. jack, andrew d. tom, jimmy d. lionel, kevin d. stephen
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;B[oq]
;W[np]C[Principe [2d\]: w is dead
quachtinh [3k\]: yeah
Principe [2d\]: hm
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;B[mq]
;W[nr]C[iNguyen [4d\]: a swift death
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;B[os]C[Principe [2d\]: boring final
themyr0n [3k\]: l1?
YangX [4d\]: thx a lot calvin!!!
Principe [2d\]: l1 doesnt work
ToyaStyle [4k\]: w alive i think
gtrer: o1?
Principe [2d\]: no dead
quachtinh [3k\]: ?
USGO4 [-\]: i think he's dead
Principe [2d\]: definite death
charkysan [5k\]: after o1, i don't see how b can proceed
themyr0n [3k\]: principe, help me out... whats the response to l1?
Principe [2d\]: l3
USGO4 [-\]: just atari l3
Principe [2d\]: w reisgned i presume?
GODude08: whuts atari?
USGO4 [-\]: no
Principe [2d\]: resigned*
Principe [2d\]: hm
USGO4 [-\]: he's still thinking
Ellisdee [-\]: what's the refutation for T1?
TanGeng [2d?\]: how's m1?
Principe [2d\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: t5
TanGeng [2d?\]: under the stones for t1
Principe [2d\]: now that i see m1...
mahatma [1k\]: m1/
Over9k [4k\]: isn't it ko?
Ellisdee [-\]: yes, but it buys liverties to make two eyes I thought
USGO4 [-\]: no actually
USGO4 [-\]: just atari at l3
Ellisdee [-\]: no, under the stones isn't ko
Over9k [4k\]: l3 m1 ?
USGO4 [-\]: capturing stones = death in gote lol
mahatma [1k\]: m1 theno1?
GODude08: white go at T 1
Principe [2d\]: w lies with m1
USGO4 [-\]: if t1, black just ataris l3
USGO4 [-\]: then capture the left side
Principe [2d\]: but b connects his k4
Principe [2d\]:  so big loss for w
ZN [3d\]: o1 live
USGO4 [-\]: o1 m1
Principe [2d\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: throwin twice
quachtinh [3k\]: black should play o2 instead N3
Principe [2d\]: but b connects his k4 right?
mahatma [1k\]: what about starting with m1
quachtinh [3k\]: ithink
POKE [5d\]: white shd play M2
USGO4 [-\]: m2 then hane l1
GODude08: naa
USGO4 [-\]: dead again
Treziac [1k\]: it's a ko with m1 no?
Principe [2d\]: m2 is certain death
mahatma [1k\]: what happens with m1 O_O
Principe [2d\]: m1 and o1 is clean life itinhk
POKE [5d\]: oh.....
charkysan [5k\]: with all this reading time, how are they doing on the clock?
USGO4 [-\]: m1 then o1
slinky [-\]: are they still playing?
iNguyen [4d\]: whit elive
Principe [2d\]: but b conencts his k4 by capturing m3
gtrer: o1
iNguyen [4d\]: black connects
iNguyen [4d\]: white lose
Principe [2d\]: eh
GODude08: dude what about T 1????????
USGO4 [-\]: 28 minutes for will, 40 for gan sheng
USGO4 [-\]: i might be misreading but im pretty sure w is dead
charkysan [5k\]: thanks
vicius85 [1d\]: if w T1 b O1
mahatma [1k\]: m1, o1, n1
Gay [4d\]: w m1 lifes no?
Ellisdee [-\]: thanks vicius
YangX [4d\]: m1 seems to work
Gay [4d\]: y
mahatma [1k\]: yeah
USGO4 [-\]: if m1 then o1
kayzac [2k\]: m1 life
Gay [4d\]: when q1
mahatma [1k\]: m1, o1, n1
GODude08: and then w goes t 4!!!
www11k [4k\]: why not O1 directly
Gay [4d\]: when w n1
vicius85 [1d\]: to n1 then m1
iNguyen [4d\]: m1 one lives
iNguyen [4d\]: but black connect in sente
USGO4 [-\]: just kiddding. m1 lives i think
iNguyen [4d\]: then white cannot win
mahatma [1k\]: yay
USGO4 [-\]: w resigned
mahatma [1k\]: eh/
Shana [3d\]: heh
POKE [5d\]: if white plays O1, B L1, WQ1, BM2, WM1, BL3, black can capture M3,M4 2white stones and connects 2 black groups
mahatma [1k\]: what happaned to our living idea?
mahatma [1k\]: usgo, can you ask white :P
Shana [3d\]: live=lose die=lose so just resign
USGO4 [-\]: he saw the life
YangX [4d\]: GG will and gansheng!!!
GODude08: dont resign go t 1
ToyaStyle [4k\]: what was the sequence to live?
JeansebL [2d?\]: m1
mahatma [1k\]: <3 will and gansheng
YangX [4d\]: i actually thought that  had a good chance to kill k6 group
Julian [3k\]: m1 lives, but m3 dies, so W can't kill anything.
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